Project:Requests for deletion/Requests/2022/Namibië
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The outcome of this request for deletion was to File:Symbol keep vote.svg Keep. As a redirect to Namibia. The official name of Namibia in Afrikaans is 'Republiek van Namibië', and according to the figures I have, about 10% of the people in Namibia speak Afrikaans. The only official language in Namibia is English. Afrikaans is one of the 'national languages', together with 9 others. So, redirected there--Eptalon (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Namibië[change]
MathXplore has nominated this page for deletion for the reason: Contested QD, non-English disambiguation page. MathXplore (talk) 01:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Please discuss this request below, but keep in mind that you shouldn't vote on everything and that there may be options other than "keep" or "delete", such as merging.
Discussion[change]
File:Symbol keep vote.svg Keep - I believe redirection and disambiguation pages in other languages can be useful on Simple Wiki, not all readers on this Wiki have a native understanding of the English language. This disambiguation page would definitely be useful for Afrikaans speakers. Deppiyy (talk) 01:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)- Redirect to Namibia - I've changed my mind, it's best if the word "Namibië" redirects to Namibia. Although the word "Namib" have multiple meanings, I believe a new page should be created and the existing content on "Namibië" should be moved to a page called Namib (disambiguation).
- File:Symbol keep vote.svg Keep Legitimate disambiguation page that would be helpful for non-native English speakers, which is the whole point of Simple English Wikipedia. Blissyu2 (talk) 12:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- File:Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - Strong delete. I just don't see compelling reasons for that redirect - or for the redirect for the Chinese transcription "Namib-haiguan" or whatever it is. If someone wonders if English-wiki has the "Namibië redirect" - the answer seems to be "No". 89.8.108.98 (talk) 18:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC) 89.8.108.98 (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- This seems like a straw man argument, the reason why “Namib-haiguan” is not a redirect because it’s not a word. Namibië is an Afrikaans word to describe the country of Namibia or the desert of Namib and the city of Namibe. Like how España would redirect to Spain because España is the Spanish word for Spain. Simple Wiki is meant to be a simpler alternative for non-native English speakers. Deppiyy (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- I am still leaning towards Delete. (If user:Deppiyy or anyone else, at any time wants to write an article (not a disambiguation page) about Namibië (an Afrikaans word), then feel free to do so.) 89.8.108.98 (talk) 22:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- This seems like a straw man argument, the reason why “Namib-haiguan” is not a redirect because it’s not a word. Namibië is an Afrikaans word to describe the country of Namibia or the desert of Namib and the city of Namibe. Like how España would redirect to Spain because España is the Spanish word for Spain. Simple Wiki is meant to be a simpler alternative for non-native English speakers. Deppiyy (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- File:Symbol delete vote.svg Delete There is no need for non-English language disambig pages because there should be no incoming links to them. Links should always go to the correct article. So the hypothetical Afrikaans speaking user will never just come across the term, they will have to search for it. If there is no exact match, it indicates that it is not an English word, and the English alternative will come up as the top search result (as it does on EnWP). Adding this will just create ambiguity, not clarify it. This opens up endless non-English redirects and adds to potential confusion. This is Simple English Wikipedia. Adding more non-English words adds complexity, not simplicity. --Gotanda (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- File:Symbol keep vote.svg Keep - Should Keep. The E diaeresis (Ëë) is throwing people off, it could also be spell Namibie or other variations in Low German, Zeelandic, Netherlandish, Luxembourgish, Rhenish, Alemannic, Kölsch many other West Germanic languages and dialects. This page serves well to readers of Franconian or West Central German language dialect, Namibie mainly means Republic of Namibia (the country) but could also used to describe the desert of Namib and the province of Namibe in the Republic of Angola could also mean the city of Namibe, which is the capital of Namibe Province, Angola. All the redirects on the Namibie page are all geographically relative to each other but are not the same, the disambiguation page would add much more clarity, I don’t think it should be deleted. 47.160.175.17 (talk) 03:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- This discussion has already said: " There is no need for non-English language disambig pages because there should be no incoming links to them. Links should always go to the correct article. So the hypothetical [... foreign language ] speaking user will never just come across the term, they will have to search for it. If there is no exact match, it indicates that it is not an English word, and the English [our] alternative will come up as the top search result (as it does on EnWP). Adding this will just create ambiguity, not clarify it. This opens up endless non-English redirects and adds to potential confusion. This is Simple English Wikipedia. Adding more non-English words adds complexity, not simplicity".
The post of 03:21 today, (arguably) does not have anything to offer that goes behind "my" borrowed quote. 89.8.146.127 (talk) 08:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)- Like I said, the letter ë is confusing people , “Namibie” redirects to “Namibië” because “Namibie” is a misnomer term and not a correct spelling. Namibië could mean various geographic areas or locations that share similar toponym. 47.160.175.17 (talk) 13:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I am still leaning towards Delete. (If any user, at any time wants to write an article (not a disambiguation page) about Namibie (an Afrikaans word), then feel free to do so. 89.8.146.127 (talk) 14:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Like I said, the letter ë is confusing people , “Namibie” redirects to “Namibië” because “Namibie” is a misnomer term and not a correct spelling. Namibië could mean various geographic areas or locations that share similar toponym. 47.160.175.17 (talk) 13:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- This discussion has already said: " There is no need for non-English language disambig pages because there should be no incoming links to them. Links should always go to the correct article. So the hypothetical [... foreign language ] speaking user will never just come across the term, they will have to search for it. If there is no exact match, it indicates that it is not an English word, and the English [our] alternative will come up as the top search result (as it does on EnWP). Adding this will just create ambiguity, not clarify it. This opens up endless non-English redirects and adds to potential confusion. This is Simple English Wikipedia. Adding more non-English words adds complexity, not simplicity".
- Comment - Has wikipedia been flooded with similar [1] stuff - after this discussion started? 89.8.146.127 (talk) 15:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- This is Simple English Wikipedia. If (and only if) Namibë is a Name that is locally used for the city (In Angola, where they mailny speak portuguese) can we redirect it to the city. If part of the Namib desert is in South Africa (I have no idea, how far south it stretches), and in Afrikaans the word seems to be used for the desert, we can discuss about redirecting Namibë there. In no case should we redirect the Africaans/Dutch word to a disambigation page here. About 90% of the population in botswana speak Setswana. Botswana is right next to Namibia, so it's likely they have a word for Namibia, or the Namib desert (more likely: the Kalahari, because the Namib is on the side of the Atlantic ocean, while the Kalahari is on the border. Even thoug redirects are cheap, we should only create redirects for terms that are actually searched for, and as oultined, the foreign-language redirect should never go to a disambigation page.--Eptalon (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- File:Symbol keep vote.svg Keep per w:WP:RFOREIGN. Afrikaans is one of multiple languages in Namibia but it's still a recognised national language. Namibië is Namibia in Afrikaans. Is it well known to native English speakers? Probably not, but frankly, we don't exist for them. Considering enwiki have this redirect and we are the wiki for non-native speakers, deleting this redirect would be really unhelpful for non-native Namibia readers. And yeah, it's pretty common to not end up learning country names. I don't even know the name for the UK in Spanish, and I learnt that language for a year... --Ferien (talk) 20:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- And just to be clear, I support a redirect to Namibia. I don't think any disambiguation is helpful in this case. --Ferien (talk) 20:39, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- So for full disclosure purposes, the only reason enWP has that redirect is because it was created by the same person who created it here. Griff (talk) 20:53, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- File:Symbol delete vote.svg Delete - My thoughts are on WP:ST, but basically, this is a project in the English language, and all users expect to use English (although at a basic level) to use this project. I believe that this RFD should be closed based on the outcome of the ST discussion. Griff (talk) 20:53, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects are cheap...might as well keep it as one. Vermont (talk) 01:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- File:Symbol comment vote.svg Comment: - I just noticed that the creator of the redirect here, created a similar redirect at enWP, that goes to a completely different page here. This is getting out of hand. Griff (talk) 11:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
This request is due to close on 01:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC), seven days after it was filed, although it may be closed earlier at the discretion of an administrator.
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